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	<title>Comments on: Negotiate with the Somali environmental activists!</title>
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		<title>By: Ken Mueller</title>
		<link>http://electriccityweblog.com/?p=3318&#038;cpage=1#comment-13810</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Mueller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 15:20:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does having to explain a good joke mean that the joke itself was less than good or that the listener is below par?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does having to explain a good joke mean that the joke itself was less than good or that the listener is below par?</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Natelson</title>
		<link>http://electriccityweblog.com/?p=3318&#038;cpage=1#comment-13779</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Natelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 23:24:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Ed Kemmick&lt;/strong&gt;:  Thanks for the compliment.  The point of the satire was NOT that western nations always act well.  The point of the satire is that some people look for flaws in western capitalist nations to justify bad conduct by socialist or non-western nations -- and then leap to the conclusion that the West is to blame for whatever problem has arisen.

A good example was Cuba.  Cuba had a corrupt, but relatively mild dictator named Fulgencio Batista, who was overthrown by a really nasty totalitarian regime -- Fidel Castro&#039;s -- that enslaved all of Cuba and imprisoned and killed thousands.  For years, Communist sympathizers and other leftists idealized Castro (some still do) and, to the extent that they saw any flaws, blamed the U.S. because of &quot;our support for the corrupt Batista regime.&quot;  This showed a serious lack of perspective; Communists didn&#039;t overthrow governments because they were corrupt; they overthrew them because they weren&#039;t Communist (beginning with the Bolshevik overthrow of Kerensky, who was not corrupt).  And even if two wrongs made a right, nothing Batista or the U.S. had done justified Castro&#039;s reign of terror.

This practice of blaming the West for really bad non-Western conduct because the West isn&#039;t perfect, is, I think, a sort of intellectual perversity. That&#039;s what I was satirizing.
 
&lt;strong&gt;Jeff Renz&lt;/strong&gt;:  Actually I think conservatives have been fairly complimentary, if grudgingly so, about the President&#039;s conduct in this situation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Ed Kemmick</strong>:  Thanks for the compliment.  The point of the satire was NOT that western nations always act well.  The point of the satire is that some people look for flaws in western capitalist nations to justify bad conduct by socialist or non-western nations &#8212; and then leap to the conclusion that the West is to blame for whatever problem has arisen.</p>
<p>A good example was Cuba.  Cuba had a corrupt, but relatively mild dictator named Fulgencio Batista, who was overthrown by a really nasty totalitarian regime &#8212; Fidel Castro&#8217;s &#8212; that enslaved all of Cuba and imprisoned and killed thousands.  For years, Communist sympathizers and other leftists idealized Castro (some still do) and, to the extent that they saw any flaws, blamed the U.S. because of &#8220;our support for the corrupt Batista regime.&#8221;  This showed a serious lack of perspective; Communists didn&#8217;t overthrow governments because they were corrupt; they overthrew them because they weren&#8217;t Communist (beginning with the Bolshevik overthrow of Kerensky, who was not corrupt).  And even if two wrongs made a right, nothing Batista or the U.S. had done justified Castro&#8217;s reign of terror.</p>
<p>This practice of blaming the West for really bad non-Western conduct because the West isn&#8217;t perfect, is, I think, a sort of intellectual perversity. That&#8217;s what I was satirizing.</p>
<p><strong>Jeff Renz</strong>:  Actually I think conservatives have been fairly complimentary, if grudgingly so, about the President&#8217;s conduct in this situation.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Moore</title>
		<link>http://electriccityweblog.com/?p=3318&#038;cpage=1#comment-13775</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 22:47:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Once the Marine and K&amp;R insurers at Lloyd&#039;s and the broader global reinsurance market write an area exclusion with NO buy back option, this piracy will be addressed rather than being treated as a cost of doing business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once the Marine and K&amp;R insurers at Lloyd&#8217;s and the broader global reinsurance market write an area exclusion with NO buy back option, this piracy will be addressed rather than being treated as a cost of doing business.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Renz</title>
		<link>http://electriccityweblog.com/?p=3318&#038;cpage=1#comment-13771</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Renz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 21:57:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Never give credit where credit is due.   The President as Commander-in-Chief delegates the decision to use deadly force to the commanders on the scene, which is how it ought to be done.  And what do our everlasting &quot;conservatives&quot; have to say?  Silliness.  Nothing but silliness.  Had SEALS shot these three pirates under George W. Bush, you&#039;d be waving the flag and pounding your chests and giving each other high-fives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Never give credit where credit is due.   The President as Commander-in-Chief delegates the decision to use deadly force to the commanders on the scene, which is how it ought to be done.  And what do our everlasting &#8220;conservatives&#8221; have to say?  Silliness.  Nothing but silliness.  Had SEALS shot these three pirates under George W. Bush, you&#8217;d be waving the flag and pounding your chests and giving each other high-fives.</p>
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		<title>By: Gregg Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gregg Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 19:49:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ed,  I didn&#039;t take it as suggesting Western countries are the heroes.

Are the Somali pirates really working for human rights...or just trying to steal?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed,  I didn&#8217;t take it as suggesting Western countries are the heroes.</p>
<p>Are the Somali pirates really working for human rights&#8230;or just trying to steal?</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Kemmick</title>
		<link>http://electriccityweblog.com/?p=3318&#038;cpage=1#comment-13760</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Kemmick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 19:11:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rob: Your satire is so good and so over the top that it more or less insulates you from having to address any of the real issues involved here.  I don&#039;t think anybody has any sympathy for pirates who steal humanitarian food shipments or take people hostage.

But does that mean it is off limits to discuss the serious concerns that have been raised about what has been happening off the coast of Somalia?  If European nations really did take advantage of Somalia&#039;s anarchy to plunder her territorial waters, were the first &quot;pirates,&quot; by some accounts the fishermen pushed out of their own waters, wrong in interferring with those illegal trawlers?

If Europeans and others were actually dumping nuclear and other hazardous wastes in Somalian waters, shouldn&#039;t that be of some concern, possibly of more concern than what a handful of bandits in leaky boats are up to?  Make fun of a non-existent over-reaction all you want, but don&#039;t pretend this is nothing more than a cut-and-dried melodrama in which Western countries are the heroes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob: Your satire is so good and so over the top that it more or less insulates you from having to address any of the real issues involved here.  I don&#8217;t think anybody has any sympathy for pirates who steal humanitarian food shipments or take people hostage.</p>
<p>But does that mean it is off limits to discuss the serious concerns that have been raised about what has been happening off the coast of Somalia?  If European nations really did take advantage of Somalia&#8217;s anarchy to plunder her territorial waters, were the first &#8220;pirates,&#8221; by some accounts the fishermen pushed out of their own waters, wrong in interferring with those illegal trawlers?</p>
<p>If Europeans and others were actually dumping nuclear and other hazardous wastes in Somalian waters, shouldn&#8217;t that be of some concern, possibly of more concern than what a handful of bandits in leaky boats are up to?  Make fun of a non-existent over-reaction all you want, but don&#8217;t pretend this is nothing more than a cut-and-dried melodrama in which Western countries are the heroes.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Natelson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Natelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 18:42:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;David Crisp&lt;/strong&gt;:  Aarrgghhhh!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>David Crisp</strong>:  Aarrgghhhh!</p>
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		<title>By: Just A Citizen</title>
		<link>http://electriccityweblog.com/?p=3318&#038;cpage=1#comment-13729</link>
		<dc:creator>Just A Citizen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 15:42:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And mosquito&#039;s have a longer life expectancy than the pirates of old.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And mosquito&#8217;s have a longer life expectancy than the pirates of old.</p>
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		<title>By: David Crisp</title>
		<link>http://electriccityweblog.com/?p=3318&#038;cpage=1#comment-13717</link>
		<dc:creator>David Crisp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 12:51:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In all seriousness, there is a reason why pirates always have captured the public imagination, and it isn&#039;t just because of colorful clothes, parrots and Johnny Depp. They really do represent to a romantic imagination a protest against the existing economic order, with their freewheeling ways and rough hewn democratic practices (captains could be, and often were, voted out of their jobs -- a practice sure to stir the 18th century sensibility). Piracy was a rough, brutal way to make a living, but its charms were not pure fiction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In all seriousness, there is a reason why pirates always have captured the public imagination, and it isn&#8217;t just because of colorful clothes, parrots and Johnny Depp. They really do represent to a romantic imagination a protest against the existing economic order, with their freewheeling ways and rough hewn democratic practices (captains could be, and often were, voted out of their jobs &#8212; a practice sure to stir the 18th century sensibility). Piracy was a rough, brutal way to make a living, but its charms were not pure fiction.</p>
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		<title>By: Gregg Smith</title>
		<link>http://electriccityweblog.com/?p=3318&#038;cpage=1#comment-13716</link>
		<dc:creator>Gregg Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 12:40:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uh, pachoka, it was &lt;i&gt;sarcasm&lt;/i&gt;, I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh, pachoka, it was <i>sarcasm</i>, I think.</p>
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