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		<title>By: Totally Unsurprising &#171; Piece Of Mind</title>
		<link>http://electriccityweblog.com/?p=1865&#038;cpage=1#comment-8050</link>
		<dc:creator>Totally Unsurprising &#171; Piece Of Mind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 20:44:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] seen of the Ziegler-commissioned Zogby poll of Obama voters that has so many of our friends on the right in a genuine tizzy. Apart from the exclusion of McCain supporters and whether the poll’s [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] seen of the Ziegler-commissioned Zogby poll of Obama voters that has so many of our friends on the right in a genuine tizzy. Apart from the exclusion of McCain supporters and whether the poll’s [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Moore</title>
		<link>http://electriccityweblog.com/?p=1865&#038;cpage=1#comment-7994</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 03:33:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Zogby, a Democrat, has responded to the criticism of his poll:  www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.cfm?ID=1642#Anchor-37902

He writes:

&gt;&gt;&gt;&quot;We stand by the results our survey work on behalf of John Ziegler, as we stand by all of our work. We reject the notion that this was a push poll because it very simply wasn&#039;t. It was a legitimate effort to test the knowledge of voters who cast ballots for Barack Obama in the Nov. 4 election. Push polls are a malicious effort to sway public opinion one way or the other, while message and knowledge testing is quite another effort of public opinion research that is legitimate inquiry and has value in the public square. In this case, the respondents were given a full range of responses and were not pressured or influenced to respond in one way or another. This poll was not designed to hurt anyone, which is obvious as it was conducted after the election. The client is free to draw his own conclusions about the research, as are bloggers and other members of society. But Zogby International is a neutral party in this matter. We were hired to test public opinion on a particular subject and with no ax to grind, that&#039;s exactly what we did. We don&#039;t have to agree or disagree with the questions, we simply ask them and provide the client with a fair and accurate set of data reflecting public opinion.&quot; - John Zogby&lt;&lt;&lt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Zogby, a Democrat, has responded to the criticism of his poll:  <a href="http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.cfm?ID=1642#Anchor-37902" rel="nofollow">http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.cfm?ID=1642#Anchor-37902</a></p>
<p>He writes:</p>
<p>&gt;&gt;&gt;&#8221;We stand by the results our survey work on behalf of John Ziegler, as we stand by all of our work. We reject the notion that this was a push poll because it very simply wasn&#8217;t. It was a legitimate effort to test the knowledge of voters who cast ballots for Barack Obama in the Nov. 4 election. Push polls are a malicious effort to sway public opinion one way or the other, while message and knowledge testing is quite another effort of public opinion research that is legitimate inquiry and has value in the public square. In this case, the respondents were given a full range of responses and were not pressured or influenced to respond in one way or another. This poll was not designed to hurt anyone, which is obvious as it was conducted after the election. The client is free to draw his own conclusions about the research, as are bloggers and other members of society. But Zogby International is a neutral party in this matter. We were hired to test public opinion on a particular subject and with no ax to grind, that&#8217;s exactly what we did. We don&#8217;t have to agree or disagree with the questions, we simply ask them and provide the client with a fair and accurate set of data reflecting public opinion.&#8221; &#8211; John Zogby&lt;&lt;&lt;</p>
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		<title>By: LT</title>
		<link>http://electriccityweblog.com/?p=1865&#038;cpage=1#comment-7975</link>
		<dc:creator>LT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:03:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama is not very impressive when it comes to decisions.  The man can&#039;t move ahead and build a staff without rising the dead for some help, but he is the new Messiah.. sure he is.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0608/11295.html

More of that promised change ..     ROTHLMAO</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama is not very impressive when it comes to decisions.  The man can&#8217;t move ahead and build a staff without rising the dead for some help, but he is the new Messiah.. sure he is.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0608/11295.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0608/11295.html</a></p>
<p>More of that promised change ..     ROTHLMAO</p>
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		<title>By: Mark T</title>
		<link>http://electriccityweblog.com/?p=1865&#038;cpage=1#comment-7968</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 03:27:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just knew these Republicans would not be good losers. Now they&#039;re projecting. After years of cult of the leader, with the imminently inadequate Bush as the man of the hour, they are now looking at the enthusiasm that Obama has engendered and saying that it is unnatural - that Obama followers are &quot;glassy eyed&quot;. Give me a break. People finally saw through you and your Bush and your manipulation of wedge issues to distract (stupid?) voters from your real agenda, and got tired of it. It took a major recession, but what the hell. Events finally played out in our favor. 

And yes, it was a push poll.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just knew these Republicans would not be good losers. Now they&#8217;re projecting. After years of cult of the leader, with the imminently inadequate Bush as the man of the hour, they are now looking at the enthusiasm that Obama has engendered and saying that it is unnatural &#8211; that Obama followers are &#8220;glassy eyed&#8221;. Give me a break. People finally saw through you and your Bush and your manipulation of wedge issues to distract (stupid?) voters from your real agenda, and got tired of it. It took a major recession, but what the hell. Events finally played out in our favor. </p>
<p>And yes, it was a push poll.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve T.</title>
		<link>http://electriccityweblog.com/?p=1865&#038;cpage=1#comment-7966</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 01:33:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Craig-

If no reference to McCain (or another candidates)  supporters is given, than you have no argument.  You prove nothing.

I&#039;m sure the good Professor will put up a post that actually makes a more coherent argument.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Craig-</p>
<p>If no reference to McCain (or another candidates)  supporters is given, than you have no argument.  You prove nothing.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure the good Professor will put up a post that actually makes a more coherent argument.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Moore</title>
		<link>http://electriccityweblog.com/?p=1865&#038;cpage=1#comment-7965</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 00:35:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of those euphoric Obama supporters readjusting his vision is Mark Cuban:  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mark-cuban/president-elect-obamas-fi_b_143645.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of those euphoric Obama supporters readjusting his vision is Mark Cuban:  <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mark-cuban/president-elect-obamas-fi_b_143645.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mark-cuban/president-elect-obamas-fi_b_143645.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Craig Moore</title>
		<link>http://electriccityweblog.com/?p=1865&#038;cpage=1#comment-7954</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 00:12:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve T, no reference to McCain is necessary to see that Obama&#039;s glassy-eyed  supporters voted on emotion rather than with a critical eye.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve T, no reference to McCain is necessary to see that Obama&#8217;s glassy-eyed  supporters voted on emotion rather than with a critical eye.</p>
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		<title>By: LT</title>
		<link>http://electriccityweblog.com/?p=1865&#038;cpage=1#comment-7953</link>
		<dc:creator>LT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 00:08:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;HANNITY: I&#039;ve identified this as Obamania syndrome, and the media, I think, are the biggest culprits. Journalism died. And I suggest, for better — you know, from what I&#039;ve seen of this documentary, it&#039;s pretty frightening, I&#039;ve got to tell you, John. Thanks.&quot;

Journalism has been dead for years.  Just look at out own local paper.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;HANNITY: I&#8217;ve identified this as Obamania syndrome, and the media, I think, are the biggest culprits. Journalism died. And I suggest, for better — you know, from what I&#8217;ve seen of this documentary, it&#8217;s pretty frightening, I&#8217;ve got to tell you, John. Thanks.&#8221;</p>
<p>Journalism has been dead for years.  Just look at out own local paper.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve T.</title>
		<link>http://electriccityweblog.com/?p=1865&#038;cpage=1#comment-7952</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 23:28:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Craig-

That&#039;s not a civics knowledge quiz... that&#039;s a quiz of right wing talking points (otherwise known as a &quot;push poll&quot;).  And even if it were somehow a legitimate knowledge test, wouldn&#039;t you have to show that there&#039;s some proof that McCain supporters are smarter in order to make an actual argument?

You guys need to start backing some of this talk up.  It&#039;s getting kind of silly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Craig-</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not a civics knowledge quiz&#8230; that&#8217;s a quiz of right wing talking points (otherwise known as a &#8220;push poll&#8221;).  And even if it were somehow a legitimate knowledge test, wouldn&#8217;t you have to show that there&#8217;s some proof that McCain supporters are smarter in order to make an actual argument?</p>
<p>You guys need to start backing some of this talk up.  It&#8217;s getting kind of silly.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Moore</title>
		<link>http://electriccityweblog.com/?p=1865&#038;cpage=1#comment-7951</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 21:22:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>anon, regarding the poll, here is a link to a transcript where Zeigler was interviewed:  http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,453929,00.html

Worth reading.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>anon, regarding the poll, here is a link to a transcript where Zeigler was interviewed:  <a href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,453929,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,453929,00.html</a></p>
<p>Worth reading.</p>
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